Episode 303 — BossLogic

 

Episode 303 — BossLogic

Kode Abdo — AKA BossLogic — is a graphic artist from Melbourne, Australia. He first started drawing when he was 6 years old. After transferring his skills to a digital platform, BossLogic was able to expose his work to a wider audience, a move that came with great success. As an artist, he has his own style of visual stories. His thirst for knowledge is something that never goes away, so he keeps challenging himself and building the building blocks to get to where he needs to be. He loves doing collaborations with other talented people, learning from their take on design.

BossLogic has created official posters for some of the biggest blockbusters like Avengers: Endgame, Spider-Man: Far from Home and Aladdin; for studios like Marvel, Disney and Warner Bros. He has collaborated with the Russo brothers, Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson, Jim Lee. After a shoutout by Jake Gylenhall on The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon, he ended up creating a poster for Gylenhall’s Broadway Play Sea Wall / A Life.

In this Podcast, Allan and BossLogic talk about the power of the origin story, the permanence of the imposter syndrome in every artist’s life, perfectionism as the destroyer of creativity and hustling for a good cause.

 

BossLogic on IG: @bosslogic (https://www.instagram.com/bosslogic/?hl=en)

Suspect from BossLogic: @baslajik (https://www.instagram.com/baslajik/?hl=en

BossLogic on Twitter: @bosslogic (https://twitter.com/Bosslogic)

BossLogic, Inc: https://www.bosslogicinc.com

BossLogic on ArtStation: https://www.artstation.com/bosslogic

BossLogic on IMDb: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm3839749/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1

 

HIGHLIGHTS:

[04:51] BossLogic Talks About His Artistic Roots

[07:57] Dealing with the Imposter Syndrome

[13:33] Collaborating with the Russo Brothers

[19:22] The Positives of Social Media — and How to Deal with Trolls

[20:26] The Power of the Origin Story

[28:33] BossLogic on Working on Far from Home

[38:24] Fan Casting — and How the Internet Changed the Game

[41:56] Hustling for a Good Cause

[45:10] Perfectionism as the Destroyer of Creativity

[47:20] Creativity is a Muscle

[52:27] Jimmy Fallon and the Birth of Suspect

[1:04:57] Opportunity Cost and How to Pick Projects

[1:06:42] Helping Younger Artists

 

EPISODE 303 — BOSSLOGIC

Hi, everyone! 

This is Allan McKay. Welcome to Episode 303! I’m sitting down with Artist Kode Abdo also known as BossLogic. We talk about perfectionism as a destroyer of creativity, creativity as a muscle and hustling for a good cause. This is probably one of my most favorite Episodes ever! 

BossLogic is known for his phenomenal work that he publishes every single day. Because of that, he’s taking the world by storm. Hearing Kode talk about imposter syndrome is really powerful. It made me realize that doubt can be the downfall of all of us. 

Let’s dive in! 

 

FIRST THINGS FIRST:

[01:20]  Have you ever sent in your reel and wondered why you didn’t get the callback or what the reason was you didn’t get the job? Over the past 20 years of working for studios like ILM, Blur Studio, Ubisoft, I’ve built hundreds of teams and hired hundreds of artists — and reviewed thousands of reels! That’s why I decided to write The Ultimate Demo Reel Guide from the perspective of someone who actually does the hiring. You can get this book for free right now at www.allanmckay.com/myreel!

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INTERVIEW WITH BOSSLOGIC

[04:51] Allan: Thank you again for taking the time to chat! Do you want to quickly introduce yourself?

BossLogic: Sure, I’m Kode Abdo also known as BossLogic on the internet. You might know me from my memes, my banner and just my randomness online.

[05:10] Allan: Did you always know you wanted to be an artist? I’ve had people who used to be lawyers or sommeliers before they became artists.

BossLogic: Well, I don’t think anyone just chooses to be an artist. I was drawing from a very young age. I’ve always loved it because my dad was an artist and I wanted to make him proud. Growing up, I used to work at Burger King, I was a courier, I did a whole bunch of stuff! It took all that stuff that I hated doing that made me consider, “Hey, I want to do art! I want to give it all up for art.” And I did. But it was many years of struggling, 6 or 7 years of no pay. Am I good enough? Should I keep doing it? Those questions were never answered but you keep doing it. I loved doing it even though it was hurting me during the process. Luckily, the door I was searching for, I finally reached it. I got recognition. I got the right eyes on my work. Since then, I’ve been leveling up and working with bigger companies.

[07:02] Allan: That’s so cool, man! What was your first paid gig?

BossLogic: The first gig that kept me thinking maybe I could make something was on MySpace: I made $50 for a flyer. I got paid for something! But the good pay that made me think I could make a living out of this was in 2016. I did some official stuff for some production companies. I was living off of that for a month. And I thought if I could do this once a month, I can live off this. That’s what kept inspiring me to look for that one gig.

[07:57] Allan: A lot of artists early in their career have that imposter syndrome or they have other people telling them to go do something else. And if they aren’t getting those wins, they consider giving up. I think you’ve hinted at that. What were your experiences like?

BossLogic: I’d be lying if I said I don’t doubt myself now. It’s just that the pros outweigh the cons now. Back then, the cons were heavy. I wanted to quit a million and one times. When my career was moving a bit, I got approached by Nike.They wanted me to do a job but they gave me more than I could handle. I tried! I stayed up for 18 hours! But at the end of that, they gave me my paycheck but they didn’t use my art. After that, I took a couple of months off. I was thinking I wasn’t good enough for this industry. I got sick after that job! I didn’t want to do anything anymore. What got me going again is that I started creating again and I started posting online, people were giving me props. That gave me the endorphin. From that moment, I wanted to redeem myself with the Nike job so I kept outdoing myself. [I wanted to make sure] the next time I got a job, I could crush it. I needed to outdo myself. Nike was just an example. I see a lot of artists who do good work online, but because they don’t get recognition or they get shit pay, a couple of months later they quit. I say to them, “Is that what you were doing it for? You wanted someone to share it or to like it?” For me, all that stuff came: the likes, the shares, the eyes on it. But outdoing myself was the main purpose, crushing what I did last year was the main purpose.

[11:15] Allan: I think Beeple’s philosophy is that he doesn’t read the comments (www.allanmckay.com/285). He’s doing it for himself.

BossLogic: I’ve talked to him, “What do you do with those comments? Do you see the shit that people say.” And he was like, “I never look at my comments. I post and that’s it. I move along the way.” For many years, I’ve done that. Occasionally, I’ll see the negative comments and I do let them be stronger than the good ones. I try to be a better person these days. I don’t cater to the negative energy. I gravitate toward positive people and look for people who may need help so I can help them out. Negative energy is all consuming. I get tired from it. I don’t know how you could run off it.

[12:27] Allan: The world is so small and we can talk to each other — but we all talk shit to each other. What the fuck?

BossLogic: That’s exactly it, man! The worst part is that you aren’t getting the negative stuff from other people; you get it from other artists that you respect as well. That’s the worst of it. These comments aren’t random. 

[13:22] Allan: I get it, man! It’s so weird how the math is wrong there. A hundred people could be saying how amazing you are and then one person says, “You suck”.

BossLogic: And you spot that one!

[13:33] Allan: And that hits you! With your career, I imagine you have a few bursts. When was the one where you blew up? Were there any big moments in your career?

BossLogic: There were some of those moments when a celebrity shows your work. But the moment that resonated with me was when the Russo brothers acknowledged my work and followed and acknowledged me. And they wanted to meet up with me. That’s when I thought maybe I was good enough for this industry. Then, I got to meet Joe Russo at his studio and we talked about my work. We talked about my future. From then, he linked me up to do a gig for Disney, for Endgame. That’s when everything started picking up from each angle, from each studio. 

[15:02] Allan: That’s so cool! Way to set the bar really high!

BossLogic: But that’s the thing! All artists, I think, doubt themselves. That’s why we try to top ourselves. We try to be better on the next project because our last one wasn’t good enough. To get to the point where people you look up to, like the Russos, say, “Your work is amazing! You can make it in this industry blindfolded!” — it picks you up. It’s a big check point of where you are. You’re going to build up from that! 

[15:04] Allan: Having you be at the highest caliber, it’s helpful for others to hear that you too struggled with an imposter syndrome. It makes people think they aren’t alone in this. What is it like to have those moments?

BossLogic: What they need to know from the get-go is that it’s okay! It’s okay to feel like this! It’s a prerequisite for an artist, especially those who are trying to gain momentum. The thing is that me feeling like this is more about me feeling like I know what I’m doing. I need to believe this whole thing! If I don’t believe I’m not that artist, then everything I’m doing is not organic and it’s just for likes. I’m going to be one of those people who deletes a post because it’s not doing well.

[17:52] Allan: I swear I’ve mentioned this on a Podcast with Beeple: There is this guy on IG whose post blew up. Everything he posted was meant to go viral. The big post happened 3 years ago, and now he’s too afraid to post anymore. It’s the most crippling thing for an artist!

BossLogic: That’s just it! If you’re doing it for that reason, what happens when that reason is no longer prominent. You can’t go viral again. You’ll get through a depression. 

[19:22] Allan: It’s more about finding the metrics: Why are you doing this in the first place?

BossLogic: Social media is amazing! You’ve got all these artists checking out your work. Which is what I love! Social media is not about being viral, it’s not about celebrities reposting your work. It’s about your work being boosted throughout the whole world. When people don’t get the interactions that they want, they choose to stop doing what they love. They stop posting. That is something that I don’t understand psychologically. 

[20:26] Allan: I read the story about why you draw. I thought, “I love this guy for doing that!” Are you open to share that story here?

BossLogic: Yeah. Basically, the post you’re talking about is the one where I finally put my picture on the internet. Since MySpace (which has been for close to 10 years), I didn’t post my pictures on the internet. I had self-conscious issues, I was bullied in school. All the basic stuff! I wasn’t happy with myself. I would post online but just random things I did in Photoshop. I started getting traction and started communicating with people. When you’re on social media and there is no profile, you can’t associate yourself with anyone. It works now on Twitter, but back then it didn’t work. That’s what I became. My art became my face. Me being anonymous, I was trying to make my followers happy with my designs and drawings. […] I created this whole persona where there is an entity but it doesn’t show my face. That’s when I became BossLogic and gained traction. 

But I was never happy. No one knew who I was or where I was from. I never showed it. I stayed in the structure of my room. It looked like I was happy online. It wasn’t until this whole Russo gig and my going to the U.S. to see them, and going to a Con, that I had to reveal myself. I had to put my face out there. There was a day when my brother convinced me to take that step. It took me 6 hours to push “Post”. I was nervous and scared. The internet is a horrible place when it comes to that sort of thing. But we made the post and it was 99% positive. All these people rushed in to show love and support. I can remember thinking after, “Why didn’t I do this before?” I felt this weight lifted off my shoulders. Then I got emails and DM’s saying that people went to a Con because of me, because they too were struggling with their weight. The fact that they went to a Con made it all worth it. I got messages from people like Henry Cavill saying how proud he was of me. That was weird to get a message from Superman! It was a scary moment but it shouldn’t have been that scary. I’m glad I did it and that I’m still working on myself. 

[26:10] Allan: I love it, man! I think for me it was about the person behind the artist and it made me invest in the art.

BossLogic: That’s the whole concept you need to realize. When you see a cool artist — or an artist you hate — online, you should know there is a whole reason why things have been done and why they talk the way they talk. It’s hard for an artist to articulate what they feel. The fact that I was able to do that with that post resonated with a lot of people and inspired people to do the same. Always remember that people are going through shit. Be aware of that when you take aim at people.

[27:38] Allan: I think that’s brilliant advice! I think people attacking others are the ones going through shit.

BossLogic: Everyone has an origin story. We don’t know what’s happening. When someone attacks me and I’m about to attack them back, I always think, “What if they’re going through some deep shit?” Me saying something to them may cause harm. I don’t wish that on anyone, so I choose to back away from that.

[28:33] Allan: I love that, man! Thank you for sharing that too! You worked on a lot of killer projects. What was your experience like on Far from Home?

BossLogic: I loved Far from Home. When I deal with Spider-Man, I know what the audience wants. Do something fun, something centered around him! When I finished the whole project, I didn’t know they were going to put it on billboards or busses. You can imagine my experience when I see a whole bus with the banner that I created. That’s crazy!

[29:34] Allan: The first ever commercial project I ever did was some ice cream commercial and they put it on a bus. I can only imagine what that’s like!

BossLogic: That’s exactly it, man! You’re standing next to a bus and you can tell a random person, “I did that! I created that!” “You created Spider-Man?!” “No, no, let me explain!” I can’t explain it. 

[30:12] Allan: Being in Australia, is there a big disconnect? I don’t tell people back home what I do. There is that whole tall poppy mentality back there when you say you live in the States. Do you ever get anything like that?

BossLogic: I don’t think my presence in Australia is felt or respected enough. My base is in the States, [as well as] my triumph, my art, all the big paying jobs. In Australia, I’m just now getting invited to big shows like Oz Comic-Con. I’ve been to Cons on my own accord. You couldn’t tell the difference until I went to San Diego Comic-Con: I had a line of 250 people waiting for me! In Australia, I’d be lucky if people knew who I was.

[32:13] Allan: It’s that whole perceived value too. Banksy had a weekend in New York where he was selling his prints for $15. When you’re outside of the guise of Iron Man, they don’t recognize you. They don’t care.

BossLogic: I don’t really care about that. But you are more valuable once they know who you are but you have to wear a nametag.

[33:05] Allan: This is why I live in the States. People are in the same business for a start. You go to one event and you get introduced, and people value you.

BossLogic: In Australia, I’d do my print booth. In San Diego, after I finished with my line [of people], I wanted to check out other booths. I would get stopped every two minutes. I couldn’t walk there. It was a crazy experience! My name resides in America,

[34:27] Allan: So when are you moving here?!

BossLogic: I love America but I can’t see myself moving there. I love Melbourne too much!

[34:38] Allan: What was the premiere for Avengers: Endgame like?

BossLogic: You gotta remember that was my first outing after that post. That was my first social place with people who know me. It was overwhelming that I was in a theatre with everyone who was in that movie! In the same theatre! I was 20 seats away from Robert Downey Jr.! That was a great experience to hear the claps and the cheering! That’s something for the books for me. After, we went to the after party and I got to talk to some of the stars. It’s crazy to be in the room with everyone you’ve seen on tv. Do you shake their hands? Do you say hi? Me and my crew just stood in the corner, drinking. We looked awkward as fuck! But it was a great night!

[36:13] Allan: That’s so awesome, man! That movie has an iconic place in movie history. Even with the first one, I was in awe when watching it. 

BossLogic: What’s crazy about Endgame is that it has dozens of A-listers. It has a high production value, people in producers’ chairs. You had sports stars at the premiere too. Every person there you want to ask for a photo with. I’m not that type of person. 

[37:09] Allan: I worked on the Avengers poster, with the sign turning to ash.

BossLogic: You’re really good at disintegrating people, I can tell you that!

[37:24] Allan: It’s the butt of every joke. I worked on Blade. All I seemed to do is vampires. It’s interesting how one project leads to the next. 

BossLogic: Are you working on Morbius?

[38:13] Allan: Yeah, right?

BossLogic: Maybe Marvel will get you on their Blade!

[38:24] Allan: That’s an interesting takeaway. I love fan casting. What has your experience been like with that?

BossLogic: That’s been the craziest part of the internet! Getting concepts and creative fan art of actors — and a year later it happens. And people are like, “You must’ve been in the know. You leaked it!” It’s never the case! If Marvel told you an actor and you leak it, you cease to exist. That’s it, you’re dead! When you see a fan cast happen, it’s crazy! I’ve seen it happen a couple of times. I did Mahershala Ali as one of the pics and then you see it at the Con and he puts the Blade hat on, and you’re like, “What the fuck!”

[39:52] Allan: When people are looking at IP, they do sell concept work.

BossLogic: I didn’t know about the creative room in movies, but now I’m more versed into it. Some of my pieces have gone on storyboards for directors and casting directors. That’s crazy how the world has changed and now we can influence the whole movie! That would never happen in the 80s!

[40:55] Allan: So fragmented! Back in the day, you had to kiss a lot of ass and wait for someone to greenlight you. These days, you can go, make a short film, put it online, become the Vimeo Staff Pick of the week. You get studios lining up and paying you.

BossLogic: The movie Lights Out is based on a short film. I’ve seen the internet create a movie off a tweet! It’s crazy!

[41:56] Allan: It’s giving the artist the permission to control their own destiny. At that point, it’s all about: How strong is your hustle? 

BossLogic: That’s basically it! I might not be the best artist, I may not be everyone’s favorite but I feel like karma gives you good vibes when you hustle and create for the right reasons — and for a good cause. Good energy gives back!

[42:30] Allan: I love that so much! I’m curious: What does your typical day look like? I’m always blown away by the work you post. It’s genius. How do you pick things and how do you come up with ideas so quickly?

BossLogic: Sometimes it’s luck. If something pops up on the news, I can quickly come up with some art. And I’ve been doing that for a while. I love puns and I love creating something from a word play. That’s where it comes from, really. I’ll give you the most recent example: When Daft Punk quit, all I saw in my head was their helmets put side by side. I’ve warped them a bit so they look like a heart. But one of the helmets looks broken because their leaving the scene left us brokenhearted. I wanted to post something heartfelt and creative for them. But I created that in 10 minutes.

[44:40] Allan: You know my wife Christina.

BossLogic: She’s amazing, by the way!

[44:53] Allan: I’ll tell her that. We both love the stuff you do!

BossLogic: I’m always looking at your visual effects and thinking, “I could incorporate that into my work, that’d be so amazing!

[45:10] Allan: I know for her, she definitely suffers from perfectionism. I know she’ll feel that way about her work. Perfectionism can be such an imprisoning thing. Whereas you can create a post in 10 minutes.

BossLogic: [45:51] Here is the reason why I’m able to do that: If I’m perfect, there’ll be no room for me to improve. So I’m happy with releasing a work that’s not to the best of my abilities. It’s not my Mona Lisa. If I finally create my Mona Lisa, I’ll have to beat that. And if I can’t beat that, I’ll ruin myself mentally. Perfectionism is a destroyer of creativity for me! 

[46:34] Allan: I love that! It goes back to trying to go viral.

BossLogic: Why do you want to be perfect? I get not wanting to put it up until it’s perfect. Put it up if you like it. Whatever negative feedback you get, use that on your next project. Then release that. It makes you better! It builds you.

[47:20] Allan: Creativity is a muscle.

BossLogic: The more creative you are, the less struggle you get skill wise. If you have good skills but you’re very creative, you don’t have to work as hard. Creativity, even at its simplest form, makes a major impact. You can have a guy who’s done two lines and it looks like it symbolizes something. Whereas another guy has all these pixels and it’s complicated. That would look good in a movie though.

[48:15] Allan: I watched this clip on YouTube this morning where there was a government footage of artists taking LSD. It was phenomenal. 

BossLogic: The perfect example is Picasso. When he was younger, he was drawing more realism. Amazing skill, really well done! When he started drawing more like a child, that’s when he got popular. That’s the best thing about art: You aren’t constrained in a box of one person’s opinion. Your only opinion is your own. Like it yourself. If everyone else likes it, that’s awesome! But do it for yourself. If you’re only drawing realism art, you’re like everyone else. I respect artists that can render real photography. But do you feel satisfied after you’re done? But imagine if you used that skill to create something that’s in your head. That would resonate a lot more.

[50:20] Allan: A hundred percent! I think these are different skills but people are scared to go off script.

BossLogic: I talked to a friend of mine who makes that type of art and he said, “Without the blueprint next to me, my mind doesn’t work. He doesn’t know what to do. There is a saying, “When you look at a blank canvas, it’s the scariest place in the world.” If you don’t know what you’re doing. A blank canvas is a real fear. 

[51:25] Allan: For you the work that you post on IG, how much of that is personal versus professional work?

BossLogic: I say 90 percent of it is for fun and real work is 10%. I want to do more of my real work, but I feel like social media is for escaping the real world.

[52:27] Allan: I thought it was cool that you created a second account. Can you walk through the whole Jimmy Fallon episode?

BossLogic: That whole day was weird! I was working on Spider-Man specs. I get a text message from my niece — and from other people — that I was on Jimmy Fallon. And I turned on the tv and saw that he presented the meme. And he and Jake Gyllenhaal are going back and forth to get me name right. I thought I’d use that opportunity to create another account. I wanted to know what content I should use it for and I realized that I do a lot of dark work. It brings out more of an emotional side. I’ve always wanted to do it. If I posted something like that on my other page, people would be asking me if I was okay. That art is meant to spark different emotions. I figured I could use it on my other page. It’s called Suspect now. I’m still working on it. I’ve created character art and the Suspect side version.

[55:10] Allan: I was excited about that because I felt like in a lot of ways it broke the expectations. It was more work that you got to explore. 

BossLogic: I like that the fans resonated with it. You have to play the whole persona: always use dark color and less saturation. So I kind of practice a different side of art.

[56:08] Allan: For you, do you find that music influences you?

BossLogic: I can’t design or do art without music. If I’m on my computer and there is no music, I can’t create. When I do dark work, I’m probably listening to some happy hip-hop stuff. I just have a whole bunch of random music. My playlists go through everything!

[56:51] Allan: That’s so cool! With BossLogic, do you see that as an alter ego? I’m fascinated with alter egos.

BossLogic: I’d say that. When I didn’t have a face online, I could create whatever I wanted. I wasn’t an asshole but I felt comfortable because I was someone else.

[58:20] Allan: What is your typical day like? I assume you don’t get much sleep.

BossLogic: It’s changed but my usual day is: I wake up at around [9:00], have breakfast and start working on things for clients while checking my Twitter feed to see if anything is going viral. If something pops up, I’m in Photoshop. I’ll create something in 5-10 minutes and post it. Sometimes DC or Marvel releases something, and I can create a second piece. That’s my quota. I try to do a [9:00] to [5:00] now. But that never works out for artists! I’m trying to get better sleep these days, but I end up going to bed at [3:00] or [4:00]. But my world now is all about Zoom calls and phone calls. They ask me to wake up at [6:00] in the morning. I have to cater in the Zoom calls. The more hip people in LA can talk to me at 3:00 a.m. their time. 

[1:00:58] Allan: Do you have other people you work with?

BossLogic: I have a team in New York but they’re my concept artists. I need a secretary for this side of the world. Nowadays, I get anxiety from emails. I’m scared to open them! If I reply, it opens the whole other thing. I feel better because I need to reply to these people. 

[1:02:15] Allan: First of all, my assistant who also produces this Podcast deals with my emails. She’ll probably laugh at this because I’m the worst person on the planet. Even if my taxes right now! Whenever I open my email, which projects do I have to say yes or no to? My assistant builds a summary for the emails and the idea is that I have to reply to them — and I don’t. But know the things you’re good at and your weaknesses. The things you aren’t good at, delegate those things. 

BossLogic: I need to put that in my head. Yesterday, I set aside an hour for emails but I look at the emails and feel a wave of pressure!

[1:04:57] Allan: I’m always fascinated with knowing that you’ll have all the opportunities in the world but there is an opportunity cost. How do you pick and choose which job you’re going to take on?

BossLogic: Obviously, people listening to this will pick a job that pays a lot. For me, I pick a job that I know I’ll be having fun doing. When I share it, it will be organic. I can show my true feelings. When I share it, it doesn’t feel like a paid ad. There was a job for a cigar company but it wasn’t me. I don’t smoke them. How do I promote this? I passed on the job. So I pick and choose what I can resonate with. I pick something that I can always be proud of. If I weren’t the artist, I’d be the one pitching it. I’m always proud to put these jobs in my portfolio. 

[1:06:42] Allan: So it aligns with your brand and your ethics. As we wrap things up, what kind of stories can you share of the people that you’ve inspired?

BossLogic: There’s a lot! The one I’ve mentioned before with people going to Cons because they saw me coming out of this box. Then there are artists whose parents didn’t like their pursuing art, and then they show them my work — I’ve come from having nothing and I made a career out of art — and their parents love my story so they let their kids do art. I had a 16 year old reach out to me to ask me to speak to his mother. I told her the whole story: It’s not going to be all peaches, but if your son loves it,  you have to let him pursue it. The only thing you have to lose here is the future you want for your kid. Instead of the one you think is safe, it can be the one that he’d enjoy. If it’s a mistake, let him make that mistake. I’ve talked to so many parents. There is this kid on Twitter and he makes art. I helped him secure a Wacom so he can now do digital art. That’s what I feel good about! I love seeing people grow in the art space. But the fact that I’m here helping people without knowing it, I love that!

[1:09:32] Allan: Thank you for sharing that! It’s been so cool to chat to you! I think it’s so obvious where your heart is. You really love what you do! 

BossLogic: That’s what it’s about, man. At the end of the day, it’s not about money. If you do the thing you enjoy and if people enjoy what you’re doing, it’s like entertainment. I’ll keep doing this until I can’t.

[1:10:25] Allan: It’s a given where people can find you but — where can people go to find you?

BossLogic: Basically just search BossLogic on all platforms. You’ll find me there!

[1:10:33] Allan: Excellent! Thanks so much for doing this! 

BossLogic: Awesome! I’ve always wanted to talk to you so I’m glad we got to do this.

 

I hope you enjoyed this Episode. I want to thank Kode for taking the time to chat. I found this to be so valuable. Kode is welcome back on the Episode anytime he wants to.

Next week, I’m sitting down with the Director of The Maze Runner trilogy Wes Ball. He is also about to direct the next Planet of the Apes film. 

Until then —

Rock on! 

 

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